They’re weird
I hadn’t heard of Tim Walz, the Democratic governor of Minnesota, before this past weekend. But like many people, I’ve been struck by the pivot he’s signaled in how the Democrats, and the left more generally, should talk about Trump.
Asked by Jake Tapper why he insists on calling Trump “weird” rather than an “existential threat to democracy,” which is how most Democrats and progressives have been describing Trump since 2016, Walz said:
It gives him [Trump] way too much power. Listen to the guy. He’s talking about Hannibal Lecter and shocking sharks, whatever crazy thing pops into his mind. And I thought we just give him way too much credit. When you just ratchet down some of the scariness and just name it what it is…That is weird behavior. I don’t think you call it anything else.
At a rally in St. Paul, Walz was even more pointed:
“The fascists depend on fear…but we’re not afraid of weird people. We’re a little creeped out, but we’re not afraid.”
Damn right. I hope other Democrats—and with them, the army of commentators inside and outside of the media and academia—follow suit.
I’ve written quite a bit about why I think the model of fascism or authoritarianism is not the right way to think about the Republicans or the right more generally today. I won’t rehearse those arguments I’ve made again here.
But I’ve also made a different argument, since the rise of Trump, about why I think the left’s tone of moral and political alarm is so unhelpful to opposing Trump. Walz makes the case in 2024 pithily; I made it, back in December 2016, in Jacobin, at greater length.
Here’s what I said then.
In the last few days, I’ve gotten a lot of emails and comments asking me why I seem, in my Facebook posts and tweets, to downplay the threat of Trump. Why I resist the comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis, why I emphasize the continuities between Trump and previous Republicans, why I insist on attending to the fractures and cleavages within his coalition.
Now, of course, nothing I say is meant to downplay the threat at all; it’s all designed to get us to see it more clearly (clearly, of course, by my lights), and while I don’t see my posts or tweets primarily or even secondarily as organizing tools, I’d like to think they give us some potential sense of leverage over the situation. But let me not get too fancy or fussy in my response; let me simply take this criticism head on.
There are a lot of academic, intellectual, and scholarly reasons I could cite for why I say what I say about Trump, and you probably know them all, and they’re all relevant and important. But there is, I recognize, something deeper going on for me. And that is that I am fundamentally allergic to the politics of fear. That term is complicated (I explore it a lot in my first book), so forgive the very truncated, simple version I’m about to give here.
The politics of fear doesn’t mean a politics that points to or invokes or even relies on threats, real or false. It doesn’t mean a politics that is emotive (what politics isn’t?) or paranoid. It means something quite different: a politics that is grounded on fear, that takes inspiration and meaning from fear, that sees in fear a wealth of experience and a layer of profundity that cannot be found in other experiences (experiences that are more humdrum, that are more indebted to Enlightenment principles of reason and progress, that put more emphasis on the amenability of politics and culture to intervention and change), a politics that sees in Trump the revelation of some deep truth about who we are, as political agents, as people, as a people.
I cannot tell you how much I loathe this kind of politics. At a very deep and personal level. I loathe its operatic-ness, the way it performs concern and care when all it really is about is narcissism and a desperate desire for a fix. I loathe its false sense of depth and profundity. I loathe its belligerent confidence that it, and only it, understands the true awfulness of the world. I loathe the sense of exhilaration and enthusiasm it derives from being in touch with this awfulness, the more onerous citizenship, to borrow a phrase from Susan Sontag, it constructs on the basis of this experience.
And so if I have a weakness or a blind spot — and I genuinely see how it can be a blind spot — it’s to political discussions and mobilizations that repeat this kind of politics, even when they come from the left. I say it’s a weakness or a blind spot because in the course of trying to avoid this kind of politics, I may wind up, inadvertently, giving the impression that something is not as dangerous as it is. I may wind up overstating its familiarity and intelligibility. While I still refuse to believe that pointing out the precedents for a current danger somehow diminishes that danger, I know my Burke well enough to know that when we pare back the exoticism, novelty, and strangeness of a thing, when we try to make it more proportionate to our understanding, it can have the accompanying effect (and affect) of making that thing seem less dangerous.
In any event, among the many reasons the election of Trump has so depressed me, and why I’ve not commented much since the election and have mostly stayed off social media, is that it has given license to the politics of fear on the left. Particularly on social media. Once again, we have that sense that we are face-to-face with some deep, dark truth of the republic. Once again, we have that sense that those of us who insist the horribles of the world should not and cannot have the last word, are somehow naifs, with our silly faith in the Enlightenment, in politics, in the possibility that we can change these things, that politics can be about something else, something better. I find that sensibility deeply conservative (not in my sense of the word but in the more conventional sense), and I resist it with every fiber of my being.
I still stand by this argument. And I’m happy to see smart pols, like Walz and others, seeing and saying the same thing now.
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Thank you for the reposting. It’s a breath of fresh air.
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They are indeed weird creeps. But if/when they win, they cause great harm and garner disproportionate influence over the direction of big, structural shifts in a political system that’s they have already had great success in pushing in a very mean direction. Is that not something to be very concerned about, given the urgency of our situation on various levels? (Climate change, immigration, women’s bodies, war on drugs take 2…)
I mean, Hitler was also a buffoon and a clown, no? They’re all clowns until they have a monopoly on the means of coercion, and the police in 2020 proved that they are more than willing to take up orders to bash heads and shoot chemical weapons at crowds. Are you mainly saying that you don’t like the pearl-clutching Twitter vibes, or are you really not concerned about where this could go?
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@Jon M – I get what Robin is expressing. But you offer a nuanced position. Someone can both be a clown and dangerous. Or as I’d put it, the clown could presage much worse. This is because the clown is often simply the face of greater powers that have propped him up and will make use of him. But also, there is how the clown can erode democratic norms, replacing them with cynicism. Seeming clowns should neither be overestimated nor underestimated. It’s tricky to find that balance.
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The supposedly election-winning photograph of Trump with his fist up is a good illustration of what CR is talking about (one of too many!). Everyone I saw, US and EU, on the left on social media that day, was convinced that the US election and democracy were over and it was time to circle the wagons. The deep dark soul of America had flashed its inevitable, black-hole light, and we were being sucked in.
It turns out that Trump’s fist shot *was* very effective propaganda – *for liberals and leftists.* Actual MAGA people at the convention thought it was good, but moved on to taping panty liners to their ears.
You can face a threat with your wits about you, with a sense of humor/perspective about yourself (ahem Democrats). Or, cower. Which sounds more effective?
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@Corey – You write that, “I’ve written quite a bit about why I think the model of fascism or authoritarianism is not the right way to think about the Republicans or the right more generally today.”
In past comments, at least one of which you saw as you responded to it, I made a parallel point. If I might disagree that fascism doesn’t entirely apply, or else its kissing cousin inverted totalitarianism, I could concur with your critique of the applicability of authoritarianism, at least in the academic sense. But there is the difficulty. Such words are used so loosely. Even political scientists seem mostly unaware, uninterested in, and unconcered about social science, in spite of about three-quarters of a century of scientific research.
Over the years, it’s become clear to me that your analysis is almost entirely directed at the ruling elite, not the majority of right-wingers and consevatives. For the most part, the far right elite are not what social scientists call right-wing authoritarians (RWAs). Instead, they fit better the classification of social dominance orientation (SDO). What defines them is domination proper (SDO-D) and anti-egalitarianism (SDO-E). But we would be remiss if we ignored the social reality that most of those who follow SDOs are, in fact, RWAs.
That is where we would do well to learn from the examples of the past. Though Donald Trump is simply an SDO and dark personality, specifically a narcissist, Adolf Hitler was probably a Double High (SDO+RWA). So, yeah, they’re not the same, but as the worst of SDO gains purchase it opens the door for Double High true believers to potentially seize power. Hitler didn’t come out of nowhere. His takeover was made possible by the bumbling SDOs that preceded him. Then with the support of RWAs, all else followed.
At the end of your piece, the Walz quote concludes with this: “Once again, we have that sense that we are face-to-face with some deep, dark truth of the republic. Once again, we have that sense that those of us who insist the horribles of the world should not and cannot have the last word, are somehow naifs, with our silly faith in the Enlightenment, in politics, in the possibility that we can change these things, that politics can be about something else, something better. I find that sensibility deeply conservative (not in my sense of the word but in the more conventional sense), and I resist it with every fiber of my being.”
Well, both could be simultaneously true. We could be, once again, facing dark truths and, for many of us, often naively. Yet, equally true, there are those who are unconsciously falling into a conservative / reactionary mindset or are dishonestly making a rhetorical attack on the political left. I tend toward a view that Trump is less worrisome than fear-mongers would allow but more worrisome than those who would dismiss him as a mere clown. It’s never what an individual is, as a lone individual, but what the individual represents, along with who is behind their rise to power and who are their followers.
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I haven’t been one to endlessly fear-monger about Trump. By himself, he is of little concern or interest, just ‘weird’ and irritating. I worry more about the broad right and particularly the far right. But Trump is a useful distraction for greater Machiavellian interests. So, I’m of two minds about it all.
I look at it from the broad picture. Anne Nelson wrote about the right-wing shadow network. It began more than a half century ago, but in many ways it’s stronger now than it has ever been. Project 2025 is just the latest iteration of it’s ongoing agenda. That is where we need to be focused.
The thing is, if Trump were elected, it would further empower that right-wing elite. The damage could be irreparable. And if Biden hadn’t dropped out, there was a strong chance that Trump would’ve won. But it seems a lot less likely now with a Democratic candidate who isn’t senile,
I’d emphasize that the direct concern is obviously not Trump but who Trump represents, who helped put him into power, and who would support him. And I’d also have thoughts the much worse demagogues who could follow in his footsteps, if anti-democratic cynicism were to fully set in and become normalized.
As for the fist shot, it seems largely irrelevant. It was good PR for a brief moment. But what has stood out to me is how quickly the public and big biz media forgot the assassination attempt and moved on to the next shiny news item, such as Kamala Harris. A single photo can’t make up for the lack of an effective narrative.
The would-be assassin didn’t fit into any conventional ideological group. If anything, he was more of a right-winger: classmates attested to his conservatism, registered Republican for 4 years, gun enthusiast, military supporter, war camouflage, etc. Then he used his father’s gun to shoot at what apparently was his father’s favorite candidate (neighbors talked of Trump signs in the yard).
As you note, there were some on the left who initially, if only briefly, got worried about the fist bump photo. But even those people got over it quickly. As soon as Biden stepped down, some Democrats were downright gleeful. I was at a party where a Democrat, upon hearing the news, began hooting and hollering. Apparently, Harris will now save us.
I must admit that I still feel rather uncertain. It doesn’t give me confidence that the DNC elite will maintain firm control. To be honest, the left was more able to powerfully organize and get heard under Trump than under either Obama or Biden. It seems the left needs a cartoonish monster to convince other Americans that the threat is real.
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Interesting strategic points. However, your argument seems to fall a bit short in the context of the recent Supreme Court decision in Trump v. United States as this appears as something to actually “fear” and concern the left. The court’s ruling here as well as some others are beyond “weird” & just plain fascistic and need to identified as such. (On the other hand, I have found — for the record — your books and articles helpful in my own research but find the dichotomy you set up in this blog post between weird and fear problematic…)
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You speak for me as well. I don’t separate the clownish and the fascistic, the weird and fearful. But still, I understand the general point being made by Robin and Walz, a valid point I’d add. Like you, I’ve been heavily influenced by Robin’s scholarship, and so I’m not wont to dismiss it in the slightest. What I take away as a useful point is how excessive and overwhelming fear, not mere caution, can be disempowering. Or worse still in altering entire populations, cultures, and political systems.
Look at the social science research on stressors, acute and chronic: inebriation, hunger, an uncomfortable chair, high inequality, pathogen exposure, parasite load, etc. Everyone has their breaking point, including liberals and leftists, and that goes for entire populations under stressed-out and sickly conditions (e.g., shit life syndrome). When it gets really bad, there is an incresase of socio-political conservatism and right-wing authoritarianism, along with a decrease of the liberal-minded trait ‘openness to experience’.
There is also a worsening of social problems and anti-social behavior: mental illnesses, paranoid fantasizing, division, distrust, conflict, aggression, violent crime, drug addiction, alcholism, etc. This is particularly seen with high inequality, with the harm even being apparent among the wealthy (Keith Payne, The Broken Ladder). But I particularly find fascinating the population effects of pathogens and parasites; as explained by the behavioral immune system and parasite-stress theory. That describes our present situation.
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Interesting perspective strategically. However, your argument falls a bit short in the context of Trump v. United States and similarly Supreme Court decisions that are beyond “weird” and are actually fascistic and need to be named as such. Although I have used your books and articles in my own research, I find, however, the dichotomy you set up between “fear” and “weird” as problematic.
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Wonderfully put. Unsure if this lines with your thoughts, but I’ve felt the alarmist language surrounding Trump to come off as pearl-clutching. Is he an existential threat? Sure, but such fears (despite the accuracy) do not communicate the mutual confusion that his ascendency creates. Such confusion breaks down communication. Are we right or wrong to think the way we do about Trump? That’s a bad framing. Are we **reasonable** to have such fears? I think this is absolute and is something that hasn’t been discussed enough.
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Still waiting for Corey Robin to discover Thomas Hobbes!
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Still waiting for Corey Robin to discover Thomas Hobbes! In 2015 I warned that Trump was trying to burn the house down. Robin’s response was what house? My take on Robin has always been that he is a member of the illiberal left. Robin is a leftist. Leftist ends but all liberals seem to care about are rules, procedures, process! The house of democracy that institutionalizes open politics and truth telling, not so much! Has Corey Robin ever said or written a word on Herbert Marcuse? There is fear and there is certainty. Robin’s politics are all about certainty and that is something worthy of fear.
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That’s about right. Today’s GOP is authoritarian and reactionary, not really fascist. The GOP is using Trump to nix abortion and have the streets flooding with guns and lower taxes and to have the right folks in charge. Harold Bloom told me in a personal communication Trump is like St John’s vision of the apocolypse but Professor Bloom was a bookish sort and had more a knack for the sublime than the ridiculous.
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Your average authoritarian doesn’t mind being called authoritarian. They hate, however, being called weird. It makes them sound like a looser (don’t write in).